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Okay so I ordered the city pack because I always wanted a set of A custom Zildjian cymbals and the city pack lists at a way cheaper price than the reg A customs. Anyway, I was very very let down at the way they sound! The ride sounds HORRIBLE! Like hitting a piece of cranky metal. Seriously. It sounds nothing like a ride cymbal in my opinion. And the hi hats are too thick and are not well defined like most other hi hat sets. The 14” fast crash sounds great. But that’s it. The old CHEAP zbt set I used to own lby Zildjian blew these away in my opinion and they were a fraction of the price. Zildjian def dropped the ball on this set. (In my honest opinion) I’m just being real.