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I like to try new things and this time, it didn't work out so well. The hi hats are decent, at best. The crash cymbals have a strange, displeasing overtone to them when struck toward the edge of the cymbal. If using them as accents with the tip of the stick they aren't too bad. I ended up using the 18" crash/ride as strictly a ride. I have it tightened all the way down so there is no resonance from the cymbal. The 20" ride isn't terrible. Overall, I would say to spend a little more or get the basic hi hats, crash, ride set up. Unfortunately I cannot return these sub par cymbals so I will make do.